clex_monkie89 | Random Tweener and capitol punishment.

Geez, what class is this, Faces of Death 101?

I didn't know JennCho had a new PB video! *rushes off*

Heh it's... Corrections in the Twenty-First Century. We were learning how crimes have been punished in America over time. Apparently? Pretty much everything usd to be punishable by death. Public death noentheless.

And yes! That's her! JennCho! Gah it's so awesomely groovy and... guh.

K just watched the Mad World video. It was awesome, but I think I like "Crawling" and "Shoop" better. Maybe because I've listened to "Mad World" so many times it's lost a little of it's poignancy for me. But it was still better than 90% of the vids out there. :)

Corrections in the Twenty-First Century... are you a CRMJ major?

K just watched the Mad World video. It was awesome, but I think I like "Crawling" and "Shoop" better. Maybe because I've listened to "Mad World" so many times it's lost a little of it's poignancy for me. But it was still better than 90% of the vids out there. :)

Wow. I've only seen the Mad World one and I thought that was awesome. I'm so gonna go and check out the rest of them tomorrow.

Corrections in the Twenty-First Century... are you a CRMJ major?

Yeah, I'm getting my AAS in it. I'm only in my second semester but it's groovy all ready.

Cool, so what're you planning to do with it? I think maybe you mentioned this before in another post but my memory's not so hot.

Last thought was that I was going to be a Criminal Psycholigist but ATM I'm having second thoughts revolving around my ability to pay for my psych edjucation.

So now it's kinda up-in-the-air a bit.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you want to work as a psychologist you have to get a doctorate, which is... a lot of time and money. :p I'm majoring in psych right now, but I'm not sure what I want to do really. I'd really like to be an editor, but I didn't figure that out til last semester, when changing my major would mean 2 more years of school. And school? Is the last thing I want to be doing at this point. I need a break. :p

Have you looked into Vocational Rehabilitation as far as paying for school? VR is paying for my undergrad tuition b/c of the stutter and ADD. I'm super lucky because I have no debt whatsoever coming out of school. Graduate school will be a different story, if I choose to go that route.

Oy, it sucks to figure out what you wanna do half-way on your way to somewhere else, huh? You could always do some small counseling with your psych degree while you space yourself from school.

Vocational Rehabilitation? What's that? When I hear the word "vocation" my first thought is Job Corps and they... I'm not doing that crap again.

Oy, it sucks to figure out what you wanna do half-way on your way to somewhere else, huh? You could always do some small counseling with your psych degree while you space yourself from school.

Yeah, it does suck. But I'm pretty sure counseling is not my thing. I enjoy learning about psychology, the academic side of it, but the applied side isn't as interesting to me. But I wouldn't be able to do any counseling unless I had at the very least a masters degree. A Psych degree is pretty worthless in the clinical psychology field except as a foundation for a higher education.

Vocational Rehabilitation? What's that? When I hear the word "vocation" my first thought is Job Corps and they... I'm not doing that crap again.

It's a program that helps people with disabilities get employment, and that includes giving them money for college. I don't consider myself disabled, but technically I am, so if they want to give me money for it, that's fine by me. :) If you have a "disability" that may interfere with your ability to get a job (which I suppose a stutter might), you qualify.

Yeah, it does suck. But I'm pretty sure counseling is not my thing. I enjoy learning about psychology, the academic side of it, but the applied side isn't as interesting to me. But I wouldn't be able to do any counseling unless I had at the very least a masters degree. A Psych degree is pretty worthless in the clinical psychology field except as a foundation for a higher education.

Wow. That sucks on... a few different levels right there.

It's a program that helps people with disabilities get employment, and that includes giving them money for college. I don't consider myself disabled, but technically I am, so if they want to give me money for it, that's fine by me. :) If you have a "disability" that may interfere with your ability to get a job (which I suppose a stutter might), you qualify.

And the part that blows? Is that as far as the government's concerned I'm not disabled because I can't afford a psychiatrist to confirm my ADD and even though I have a messed up knee that prevents me from standing/walking/moving much without a big metal brace the fact that a surgery I can't get anyone to agree to would fix it means I'm A-OK.

Fucking Arizona.

Woah, that's awful. I can't even READ descriptions of executions, let alone watch them - there's a famous series of photos from the Vietnam War of a (from what I remember) suspected Veit Cong member being executed by a shot to the head and it's so gruesome and terrible to look at. But I've never seen something like that on film, geez. That must've been hard to watch.

On a similar note, I saw a dead person in the street outside my building today. But I was late to meet my mom somewhere so I don't know what happened. I was walking down the block and there was just this guy lying in the street with a small crowd of people around him and then someone put a scarf over his face and I don't knw what the deal was, but it was bizarre. Never seen something like that before.

And the fact that now I'm having horror images of Linc in the chair and him not dieing and just... *Shudder*

I think that's what creeped me out a bit when I was writing my Linc imagines his whole life right before he's executed fic - 'cause it ends right as the electricity's turned on and there's nothing after it but I couldn't help thinking, "Oh god, what'd happen next??"

Woah, that's awful. I can't even READ descriptions of executions, let alone watch them - there's a famous series of photos from the Vietnam War of a (from what I remember) suspected Veit Cong member being executed by a shot to the head and it's so gruesome and terrible to look at. But I've never seen something like that on film, geez. That must've been hard to watch.

See, I'm usually not all that bad with stills of dead people, the bodies at Auschiwitz and autopsy photos and stuff like that. It's... when it's moving images and you're actually watching them die... Buh.

On a similar note, I saw a dead person in the street outside my building today. But I was late to meet my mom somewhere so I don't know what happened. I was walking down the block and there was just this guy lying in the street with a small crowd of people around him and then someone put a scarf over his face and I don't knw what the deal was, but it was bizarre. Never seen something like that before.

Dude. That's... damn. When I was in my old dorms I watched some guy outside my window get his head blown off. I had to go tell the RA about it. Oddly enough? I don't remember seeing it. I'm like 95% sure that I saw it and I know that I heard it but I have no memory of seeing the guy outside my window except for the blood-stain on the pavement.

I think that's what creeped me out a bit when I was writing my Linc imagines his whole life right before he's executed fic - 'cause it ends right as the electricity's turned on and there's nothing after it but I couldn't help thinking, "Oh god, what'd happen next??"

I forgot you wrote that. You bastard. I still get all twicthed out about that, oy.

See, I'm usually not all that bad with stills of dead people, the bodies at Auschiwitz and autopsy photos and stuff like that. It's... when it's moving images and you're actually watching them die... Buh.

Yeah, that's... yeah, awful. I don't know if I'd be able to watch that. I really have a thing about death, watching people die (as I'm sure many people do), even if it's a fictional movie and I know it's not real. Like the PB ep where LJ finds his mom dead? Really disturbed me. My concentration in college was Holocaust and Genocide Studies, so I've watched and read tons on genocidal stuff and I'm mostly okay with it all, but sometimes I'd watch something that would randomly really upset me. Watched a TERRIBLE made-for-tv movie in a class once about a concentration camp starring David Arquette of all people, but there was a scene during which a group of people is trapped in a gas chamber and it's like 5 minutes of them screaming and dying and I had to leave the room 'cause I couldn't watch it anymore.

When I was in my old dorms I watched some guy outside my window get his head blown off.

That's also pretty awful. And scary. When I was younger I lived in a pretty badish neighborhood and every so often would hear gunshots outside, but never saw something like that. One of those things that it's probably better that you can't remember it. The weirdish thing is that I live in a pretty nice, quiet neighborhood (for NYC), so I don't know if this guy was shot, hit by a car, hit by something/someone else, collapsed for some other reason. Very strange not to know what happened to him.

I forgot you wrote that. You bastard. I still get all twicthed out about that, oy.

Eek, sorry I brought it up :) If it makes you feel better, I get twitched out by it to (which almost never happens when I write something) - even more so after reading this post.

ack, why was I signed out? Boo.

Yeah, that's... yeah, awful. I don't know if I'd be able to watch that. I really have a thing about death, watching people die (as I'm sure many people do), even if it's a fictional movie and I know it's not real. Like the PB ep where LJ finds his mom dead? Really disturbed me. My concentration in college was Holocaust and Genocide Studies, so I've watched and read tons on genocidal stuff and I'm mostly okay with it all, but sometimes I'd watch something that would randomly really upset me. Watched a TERRIBLE made-for-tv movie in a class once about a concentration camp starring David Arquette of all people, but there was a scene during which a group of people is trapped in a gas chamber and it's like 5 minutes of them screaming and dying and I had to leave the room 'cause I couldn't watch it anymore.

See, LJ finding his Mom was not horrible for me because I had watched her on Nip/Tuck like the night after so I knew she was still doing all cool. Once though? I put on "Cute Poison" before going to sleep. In all my madness to avoid spoilage I never found out about Lincoln's nightmare. Holy crap man that was... No.

And? You have some weeknesses with death and you chose to oncentrate on Holocaust and Genocide Studies? Buh?

That's also pretty awful. And scary. When I was younger I lived in a pretty badish neighborhood and every so often would hear gunshots outside, but never saw something like that. One of those things that it's probably better that you can't remember it. The weirdish thing is that I live in a pretty nice, quiet neighborhood (for NYC), so I don't know if this guy was shot, hit by a car, hit by something/someone else, collapsed for some other reason. Very strange not to know what happened to him.

See, it funny because I've had weird... "luck" like that my whole life. Me and my parents drove right in front of Dahmer's apartment builing like days/weeks before he got arrested. Mom says the smell was horrific and that they had thought that a sewer main was busted or something, I don't remember much cause I was all baby-sized.

Eek, sorry I brought it up :) If it makes you feel better, I get twitched out by it to (which almost never happens when I write something) - even more so after reading this post.

And you should be sorry! :) Sounds like that fic to you is what Anatomy is to me, just something completely... out of the blue and buggy.

See, LJ finding his Mom was not horrible for me because I had watched her on Nip/Tuck like the night after so I knew she was still doing all cool.

Haha. And I didn't even like her much, either! Generally I'm not too terrible with stuff like that, if I get freaked out by someone dying in a movie or something I always tell myself it's not real, and I'm usually okay. But sometimes...yeah. Like in that scene I was just totally shocked by it, really was not expecting them to be killed. Like, at all. And my mind immediately jumped to (even though he's a fictional character) "Oh my god, that's just a completely horrifying thing for a kid to see" and was a little disturbed. Once I had to watch "The Day After" in a film class (another made for TV movie, this one on the days after a nuclear war), and I think part of the issue was that it was like 3 weeks after 9/11 and I was completely on edge already. But there's like a 5-10 minute long scene of the bombs being dropped and people being evicerated and the over the course of the movie nearly every character dies horribly of radiation poisoning and it's just scary and yucky and I was, what, 18? when I saw it, but had nightmares for like a week. I'm a total wuss with some stuff like this.

In all my madness to avoid spoilage I never found out about Lincoln's nightmare. Holy crap man that was... No.

Ouch, and right before bed too. Did you think he was going to bite it, or was it just his flipping out? I remember watching that for the first time and going "well this can't be real...he's one of the stars, he can't die! This can't be real...but...what's going on? It's not really real, is it...?" And I figured it'd be a dream or something but his freak out was hard to watch.

And? You have some weeknesses with death and you chose to oncentrate on Holocaust and Genocide Studies? Buh?

Heh, that's what a lot of people say. Was on a job interview yesterday and when I told that to the interviewee he looked at me like I was insane. I think initially I got interested in it because of family history stuff and during college took a lot of classes on it (my school has the only Holocaust & Genocide Studies dept in the country, so I thought I'd take advantage of it :P), and just find it really interesting. Totally depressing, but for the most part I could step out of it and not get too bogged down in sad stuff. Though every so often (like literally every few months or so) I'd have a random period of depression and have a good long cry at some random thing I'd read and then I'd be okay again for a while. I also tend to focus a lot on genocide awareness and resistance/rescue, try to look as much as possible at hopeful stories more than tragic ones. But seriously, the psychology of the people in the department is so bizarre, like how people handle a subject like this and study it long-term.

Mom says the smell was horrific and that they had thought that a sewer main was busted or something, I don't remember much cause I was all baby-sized.

WOAH. That's crazy. And totally creepy. When I was youngish there was a big fire in my building that started in the apt below ours while I was playing hide and seek with a friend. And I distinctly remember feeling really warm and smelling something burning and thinking that my mom was burning something she was cooking. And later I was all "OH!" But dude, Dahmer - yeah. Woah. Heh, weird luck. Probably better, again, that you don't really remember it.

And my mind immediately jumped to (even though he's a fictional character) "Oh my god, that's just a completely horrifying thing for a kid to see" and was a little disturbed.

Oh I know! Poor baby! LJ needs a hug or sixty-three.

Ouch, and right before bed too. Did you think he was going to bite it, or was it just his flipping out? I remember watching that for the first time and going "well this can't be real...he's one of the stars, he can't die! This can't be real...but...what's going on? It's not really real, is it...?" And I figured it'd be a dream or something but his freak out was hard to watch.

I knew he wasn't gonna bite it because my FList wasn't completely ridden with Spoiler-Cuts and sad/angry/dissapointed mood-icons like it was right before and after the Lost Deaths but still... Holy fuck man that was... gut-wrenching. Horribly so.

Heh, that's what a lot of people say.

And I don't blame them for it. But at the same time I see where you're coming from, my major is also... Unusualy for someone like me and I get the... curiosity and the need to know. And I get the whole Phases thing too, I go for spans of time where one thing in particular just squicks m hard while another that squicked me before... not so much now.

WOAH. That's crazy. And totally creepy. When I was youngish there was a big fire in my building that started in the apt below ours while I was playing hide and seek with a friend. And I distinctly remember feeling really warm and smelling something burning and thinking that my mom was burning something she was cooking. And later I was all "OH!" But dude, Dahmer - yeah. Woah. Heh, weird luck. Probably better, again, that you don't really remember it.

Dude. Damn.

Holy fuck man that was... gut-wrenching. Horribly so.

Word. Especially (hit me for some reason) when he keeps yelling for Bellick to help him. No idea why, but I guess just in general that big tough guy Linc is screaming for help is trippy. I mean you gotta figure that he's not going to die (and good point about your flist, heh)

And I don't blame them for it.

Haha. I was talking to a guy once and mentioned that it was my concentration and he looked at me very seriously and said "Do you sleep at night?" And it took me a few minutes to get what he was saying. I don't know, I just find it an interesting subject (for lack of a better phrase), how something so terrible can happen on such a large scale, what lead up the Holocaust and all of the different conditions that had to come together to allow for such massive insanity and destruction, and how people reacted to it and continue to react to it (I majored in film, so the Holocaust in films and movies was another big theme that I studied). And how genocidal events over the past 20 years have been carried out and how they're percieved by the rest of the world is something that interests me.

He's really pretty when he cries. Really. And I want to hug him. A lot. Nn. Babbeh.
Yeah I had a moment like that, too.. generally he annoys the fuck out of me, but when he cried.. I was like.. yay.. T-Bag really can get to everyone this way or another.. sweet. I have a thing for tortured/fucked up men anyways..

I know exactly what you mean. T-Bag just has his instinct for getting to everyones weak spot. And poor Tweener, he had no idea what he was being thrown into, prison is so much more diferent than county.

nah.. you're going to make me feel for that guy, lol.. I've just watched that Mad World fanvideo.. and Tweener is so hugable in that scene.. but I'm still waiting for a Tweener/Bellick fic..haha. :)))))))

P.S.: left some recs for you at my LJ.. though I think most of those have been already recced.

It is my goal to make people feel something other than annoyance and/or hatred for him. You just know that Tweener was the "badass" at his school and that he was the total "bad-boy" like from all those crappy teen shows.

You know Tweener thought he'd be "popular" in prison, he probably thought it was just like in the movies, but without all the ass-raping.

Boy was he wrong.

P.S.: left some recs for you at my LJ.. though I think most of those have been already recced.

Oh dude. I love you and your linky self! Wee! Fics! And don't worry about double-linking, it just means those fics are really good.

Now that it's been a while since we've seen a new episode.. everything that was "eww" hin PB as started to become likable or tolerable.. like.. I've read Sara/Michael fic for fuck's sake, haha. Not that it got me hooked on it, but still.. I gave them a chance.. so why not giving Tweener one.. especially when he's all "aww" when he's crying.. he's so not safe.. Michael won't be able to control T-Bag for long and since we know they won't get out of prison till the season finale....T-Bag has plenty of time to make Tweener's life miserable. And ansgt? I love.

"linky self" :)) well.. I may add some links t that list cause there are so many good ones, but yeah.. sorry for not posting them properly.

See, the thing that worries me most about Tweener is one of the titles for a future ep. I keep myself mostly spoiler-free in the fandom except for like ep titles and the random bit here and there. The title? Makes me scared and sad.

No problem, the OCD links are mainly because I'm a geek.

Yeah I try to keep myself spoilerfree too.. *nods* I can't believe ppl go and read ahead.. O__O anyway.. which title worries you?

The Rat. Poor Tweener, it does not bode well for him. :(

hmm-hmm.. you mean.. maybe he'll rat them out? hmm-hmm.. with Bellick as a protector behind his back.. hmm...hmm.. but he doesn't know a thing.. and if he does rat them out he's dead. Maybe he doesn't know that but he's dead in that case.

He doesn't need to actually say anything, if anyone in the prison finds out he bargained with Bellick he's git an auto-price on his head.

Yeah, that's probably true.. Somehow I don't think he's going to die. OR if he has to I can imagine that it's gonna be like..

Tweener: haha your escape plan is all depending on me now.. *makes fun*
T-Bag: damn it I kill him.
Michael: no, you can't do that,. it's wrong.
T-Bag: but the whole escape plan..
Michael: but we can't do that it's wr..
T-Bag: man your brother's life!!
Michael: okay. kill him.
T-Bag: *kills Tweener*
Michael: oh nos.. he died cause of me. *is all angsty* oh well. lets go.

XD

You rock!

There are a number of crimes human beings can commit that simply do not warrant a penalty less than death. Even the mentally retarded can be taught that killing another person is wrong. Doing it anyway is a clear and obvious sociopathy, a violation of another person's individuality on the most fundamental level. Why should the victim be slain and the killer live to 'readjust'?

Justice is nothing but vengeance carried out by society instead of the individual. Eye-for-an-eye is not quite the way to go, but it would certainly make people think twice if they knew that *EVERY* felony carries the death penalty.

Personally, I think they should institute the system in use in the book 'The Truth Machine,' by James Halperin. If you're interested in criminal law and prosecution, you ought to check it out. It's not a hard read, you can finish it off in a few hours on a lazy Sunday. Of special interest is the 'Swift and Sure' anti-crime bill.

Did you know that there is actually no proof that the death penalty deters at all? There is no proof at all that the death penalty stops anyone except the person being executed.

And did you know that statistics say one out of every... I think it's twenty-five people on death row actually are innocent.

Killing someone who killed stops them alone but so does sticking them in a tiny room alone for the rest of their natural lives.

'The Truth Machine,' by James Halperin.

I haven't heard of that one before, what's the "system" it uses?

Yeah, that post above? Totally me.

Yeah, that post above? Totally me.

Don't you just love LJ to pieces sometimes?

Did you know that there is actually no proof that the death penalty deters at all? There is no proof at all that the death penalty stops anyone except the person being executed.

And did you know that statistics say one out of every... I think it's twenty-five people on death row actually are innocent.

Killing someone who killed stops them alone but so does sticking them in a tiny room alone for the rest of their natural lives.

'The Truth Machine,' by James Halperin.

I haven't heard of that one before, what's the "system" it uses?

It's true that the death penalty is not a deterrant, but I think it's safe to say that prison isn't either - look around.

Sticking them in a tiny room costs already-burdened taxpayers a great deal more than two or three 9mm bullets. The only reason the death penalty is expensive is because of decades of litigation and appeals, not because of the penalty itself.

It's perfectly alright that the death penalty doesn't deter people from committing crime. It stops the guy who did it, and that's enough.

Capital Punishment is insanity. It really is. In what way does killing a killer give any kind of message to anyone. *g* More than the simple fact that it is sometimes legal to kill. *shakes head*

They can't even prove that it has any effect what so ever about the crime rate. *shakes head* The only thing they can prove is that killing people is cheaper than providing for them in prison the rest of their lives and yeah, lets base all our decisions on economy rather than humanity. *rolls eyes*

Poor Linc... Now I can't get that scene from Green Mile out of my head... Where they don't water the sponge... *shudders*

Good thing Michael is there turning his thought towards mortals sins rather than his imminent death. *lol*

Finished STB2, now I only have to finish my latest Viggorli and I can start writing the AU in uttermost secret. (People yell at me when I entertain new bunnies).

Friended you btw. ;0)

I'm right there with you on what you say about the death penalty, I think it's... There are so many other things you could do rather then heard people to slaughter. I do believe that some crimes are just... some people will not be rehabilitated.

But that's what Closed Custody, Solitary Confinement and The Prisoner's Code is for. There are certain crimes where if you get put into prison for them and the other inmates find out what you did? You're dead, they'll gut you. We as a people (Society, government, whatever) shouldn't. What makes us better then the serial killers we're killing? An eye for an eye and all that...

Finished STB2, now I only have to finish my latest Viggorli and I can start writing the AU in uttermost secret. (People yell at me when I entertain new bunnies).

You're a Viggorli girl too? How have we not met before? And don't worry, I won't yell at you for your bunnies, I'll even feed them!

Friended you btw. ;0)

Friended back! :p

Can't see why we never met before either. Must be faith that had us running into each other in another fandom, because Viggorli girls have to stick together. :0)

I never did finish that Viggorli because it's the fic from Hell, but I started the cellies one anyway...

Can't see why we never met before either. Must be faith that had us running into each other in another fandom, because Viggorli girls have to stick together. :0)

Oh yeah, we must protect our own!

I never did finish that Viggorli because it's the fic from Hell, but I started the cellies one anyway...

I totally only wrote one Viggorli and it only barely counted a little bit. And that cracky one I wrote with my sister...

Word. Especially (hit me for some reason) when he keeps yelling for Bellick to help him. No idea why, but I guess just in general that big tough guy Linc is screaming for help is trippy. I mean you gotta figure that he's not going to die (and good point about your flist, heh)

Oh man, I forgot that he calls out to Bellick. See, that right there makes me think that Bellick must have some good in him. I don?t think Linc would call for help from some jack-hole C.O. who?s a complete dick to him, it makes me think that Bellick likes Linc or at least treats him human. Man, that makes me wonder exactly why Bellick is cool to him but apparently no one else. Maybe Linc was at Fox River once before and was a good inmate; one of the ones who would?ve been a trustee if his levels weren?t as high as they were and one of the ones who listened to Bellick and the other guards and didn?t give them shit like everyone else.

Oh no. Bunny. Bah.

Haha. I was talking to a guy once and mentioned that it was my concentration and he looked at me very seriously and said "Do you sleep at night?" And it took me a few minutes to get what he was saying. I don't know, I just find it an interesting subject (for lack of a better phrase), how something so terrible can happen on such a large scale, what lead up the Holocaust and all of the different conditions that had to come together to allow for such massive insanity and destruction, and how people reacted to it and continue to react to it (I majored in film, so the Holocaust in films and movies was another big theme that I studied). And how genocidal events over the past 20 years have been carried out and how they're percieved by the rest of the world is something that interests me.

I completely get your interest; I have an obsession with serial killers kinda like that. How some (Dahmer, Bundy, Gacy, Neilsen) can appear so absolutely normal and how they can just be these absolutely horrid monsters on the inside who do these inhuman things to other people and how others like Carl Panzram can be just completely ape-shit 24/7. I think you and me may get the same looks from other people.

Oh man, I forgot that he calls out to Bellick.

Yeah, haven't watched that ep in a while, but I remember lots of "Bellick, help me, stop what're you doing" and such. 'Cause I had the same kind of reaction, interesting that he's calling out to Bellick. I mean it could have been that they wrote the scene that way because Bellick is the only guard that we as the audience know. On the other hand, it's an interesting choice 'cause it does make you wonder what kind of relationship Bellick and Linc have, if they get along (which they seem to, from the couple of other scenes we've had of them together), especially considering how Bellick randomly hates Michael for no specific reason.

Oh no. Bunny. Bah.

No, don't boo the bunny! It's a good idea, you should do it. Bellick's another one of those random characters who's scuzzy and ass-holeish and acts like a dick pretty much for the sake of being a dick (kind of always on a power-trip and sees himself very above the inmates), but it's interesting to watch his interaction with various characters, especially the inmates. He and Sucre seemed alright with one another (allowed Sucre congigals because he stayed out of trouble) until Sucre wouldn't do what he wanted. And he and Westmoreland were pretty buddy-buddy until the riots.

But Michael he hated right off the bat, so that could be something interesting to explore - why he seems okay with certain inmates, what kind of relationship he and Linc have, and why he doesn't like others like Michael.

Do it! Do it.

I have an obsession with serial killers kinda like that.

Yeah, see, I can totally get that - like how someone gets to that point, can act so completely...un-human, yet often function normally in society and interact like regular people. On the one hand, it's something I can't at all understand and don't really want to (it's the T-Bag thing again - scary to get inside the head of someone like that), but on the other hand - probably especially for someone like you who's interested in criminal psychology - someone who acts in a way that's so strange and different from what's normal (and in such a violent way) makes you want to know what exactly goes on in their head to make them do such things.

'cause it does make you wonder what kind of relationship Bellick and Linc have, if they get along (which they seem to, from the couple of other scenes we've had of them together), especially considering how Bellick randomly hates Michael for no specific reason.

Exactly. Though I'm thinking Bellick knew about Michael before hand (Either as Linc baby bro or just his lack of a record) and that might have something to do with the strong hatred.

[...] He and Sucre seemed alright with one another (allowed Sucre congigals because he stayed out of trouble) until Sucre wouldn't do what he wanted. And he and Westmoreland were pretty buddy-buddy until the riots.

But Michael he hated right off the bat, so that could be something interesting to explore - why he seems okay with certain inmates, what kind of relationship he and Linc have, and why he doesn't like others like Michael.

Oh man. Theories. You bitch. Well, I think I know what I'm gonna do on the way home tonight...

Yeah, see, I can totally get that - like how someone gets to that point, can act so completely...un-human, yet often function normally in society and interact like regular people. On the one hand, it's something I can't at all understand and don't really want to (it's the T-Bag thing again - scary to get inside the head of someone like that), but on the other hand - probably especially for someone like you who's interested in criminal psychology - someone who acts in a way that's so strange and different from what's normal (and in such a violent way) makes you want to know what exactly goes on in their head to make them do such things.

Exactly. It's the unknown factor that gets me. It's just so... I lack words right now.

It's true that the death penalty is not a deterrant, but I think it's safe to say that prison isn't either - look around.

Very true. The way prison sentences use to work worked much better IMO; sentences were indeterminate and fluid. You stayed until you were rehabilitated and then you were released. It changed because people yelled about felons being sentenced to ten years and doing two so now there's a clause that says you must do at least 80% of your time. And the sentencing nowadays is ridiculous, did you know that statistically speaking you spend more time in prison for marijuana possession than you do more some counts of murder?

Sticking them in a tiny room costs already-burdened taxpayers a great deal more than two or three 9mm bullets. The only reason the death penalty is expensive is because of decades of litigation and appeals, not because of the penalty itself.

True, the cost is less but if the American Justice System had fair sentencing we'd be able to do away with the death penalty without a giant tax-jump. Like I said above one of the big problems is that in our "War on Drugs" we're overcrowding the prisons with non-violent idiots who are killing themselves slowly. I say send 'em to rehab and turn them back out, making some guy who goes and gets stoned with his friends sit in a cell for a year won't do anything except maybe make him think about hiding his stash better.

It's perfectly alright that the death penalty doesn't deter people from committing crime. It stops the guy who did it, and that's enough.

True, it does stop that guy, but what happens when his kid gets pissed off at The System for "wrongly" killing his dad and then goes out and shoots a bunch of cops?

Random Tweener and capitol punishment.

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