Clarification on the last post

[clex_monkie89]

1. I was raised by drug addicts. My mother and step-father are five years clean, my big brother is about a year or so clean (and in prison) and my dad is in prison and probably not clean. I have seen them smoke crack. I have seen people OD in front of me (at fourteen nonetheless). I have seen my big brother go through heroin withdrawls. I have had lightbulbs stolen by tweakers who then smoked them.

There is absolutely nothing you can ever say that will make me think doing crack, heroin, meth, X, coke, glass or whatever is anything less than fucking horrible. I repeat: I do not care if I offend you. SIXTEEN YEARS of my life was spent with drug addicts.

2. Re: Drinking. As those of you at WinCon know, I don't generally mind other people drinking. I just don't feel like going out and being the only sober person there. Really, the biggest thing there is just that drunk people? Are usually nowhere near as amusing to sober people as they think they are. And, relating to part the first up there, I have already spent enough of my life nodding along to people who make no fucking sense at all.

It's weird, cause I like drunk posts, and drunks at WinCon kinda rock (they talk about COCK and PORN and WINCEST and J2), but I cannot stand being around people who are drunk, like, because it's Friday.

3. If you don't know the names of a large chunk of the people you've slept with you're slutting around. If you've ever had a Maury Povich kind of "I don't know who my Baby Daddy is because I've slept with half the town and they were all right around the same time" moment you're slutting around.

Slutting around is not just having a lot of sex. If you're an irresponsible idiot about it (USE CONDOMS, PEOPLE. RL IS NOT FIC.) then... Well. You could totally be slutting around. You could also just be a great big idiot.

Comments

[annella.livejournal.com]

re.#2: We should go out sometime and have non-drunk fun. ♥

[crediniaeth.livejournal.com]

I feel the same way about smoking. One of the major contributing factors to my father's stroke back in '01 was due to his 40 year smoking habit, not even factoring in his former alcoholism and poor diet. I wouldn't touch a pack of cigarettes with a 10-foot pole.

[clex_monkie89.livejournal.com]

SHOULD! You should totes fly up here, man. WE WILL HAVE AWESOME FUN! ♥

[clex_monkie89.livejournal.com]

WORD. I mean, I understand that people might not get things like that, but I have my reasons. You know?

[brynspikess.livejournal.com]

*hugs* I don't drink much. Alcohol makes me horny and sleepy, and since I don't currently have any companionship in that department, I usually just pass out. Since I can fall asleep just fine on my own, I don't bother drinking. So yeah, we can totally have some non-alcoholic fun sometime. ^_^

[clex_monkie89.livejournal.com]

We will have some AWESOME sober fun at WinCon, dude. Or sooner, if we can manage to meet up somewhere. :D

[amalthia]

Yeah I don't get the drinking to get drunk thing myself, though I have accidentally gotten drunk. :( And I agree hanging out with drunk people being the only one sober is really boring and I'd rather stay home and read porn.

And yes to the irresponsible behavior. There is no good excuse when it comes to sex without condoms.

[rivers-bend.livejournal.com]

Or there's SOME of us who talk about COCK and PORN and WINCEST and J2 (and grill people about the newsletter) without so much as a drop of alcohol *g*

I can't even imagine what it must be like having the people in your life doing drugs that way, but just knowing my own frustration with people around me being drunk and high when I was in college, I have EVERY sympathy with your stance.

♥

[rejeneration.livejournal.com]

This is all YMMV and I'd reiterate my question from earlier, but-- I don't really see the point. You friended me a while ago back, and we don't seem to have jack-all in common outside of a fandom. Therefore, I'll do ya the solid. Best of luck.

[clex_monkie89.livejournal.com]

I thought I had answered your question here—that's the only reason I didn't respond to your comment, because I figured it would be easier to just make another post.

As I said, I don't have a problem with drinking so much as I have a problem with being around and being forced to interact with drunk people. Being sober around drunk people isn't very much fun usually, and I don't drink.

With the drugs, I don't include experimenting, because I know sometimes people will try things and realize it isn't for them. I'm talking about the people who go out and get eight-balls every time they get paid, or bum/steal money off/from people because they just need an eighth to "get them through the night" or whatever.

[ryo-girl.livejournal.com]

Being around someone who drank a lot - he doesn't anymore, thankfully - I have not, for one second, even wanted to try drinking. I probably will get drunk once, just because, but experiencing the ups and downs of alcohol with someone really turned me off. He wasn't happier when he drank; he did stupid shit; and he paid for it in the morning. Why would I even WANT to a) experience that myself and b) expose myself to it again? That's how I view it, personally.

[velithya]

*hugs* yes, yes, and yes. I am teetotal in every way that counts and I will totes hang with you in a teetotal awesome kind of way next time I see you. I. just wish that was sooner, you are awesome fun to be around. YOUR MUM IS A CLASSY LADY, milk duds, THUMBPRINTS?! ♥♥ I LOVE YOU MOVE TO AUSTRALIA :(

[sasha-davidovna.livejournal.com]

So much word to this. I've led a really sheltered life for the most part (compared to yours, really really sheltered) but I have alcoholism scattered all over the place across both sides of my family, and married a man with the same. I rarely have any alcohol at all, and when I do it's generally been a sip of wine to be polite. I just don't like the taste and am doing my best to keep it that way, because I figure if I ever start, there's an above-average chance I'll never stop, and having been around more than enough drunk people at college... why? Drinking because you like the taste or even for a little buzz I can see. Fine, whatever. Drinking specifically to get drunk ... way beyond my comprehension level.

I just can't bring myself to respect stupid people (or smart people who do stupid things deliberately) and it's hard for me to understand why anyone with any self-respect at all would want to be stupid. And drunk people ... definitely very stupid. Smoking-stupid and smelly. (Most) Drugs-stupid and dangerous. Unprotected sex with one night stands - criminally stupid.

People who accuse liberals of moral relativism and/or immorality make me laugh. True, I don't really care what you do with your own life, but your rights end at your nose. If you're irresponsible, you force other people to live in your mess with you, and probably clean up after it in the end. That's not fair, it's not right, and it's not something I will ever be able to tolerate.

(Sorry for the book. I think this rant has been building up for awhile. One of my cousins-in-law just went and married a girl with a meth(!) problem and I could shake him until his teeth rattled. They were friends before she got hooked and I imagine he thinks he's going to save her, but frankly, I don't think he has the first idea what he's gotten himself into.)

[clex_monkie89.livejournal.com]

THUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBPRINTS

*Hugs you*

I LOVE YOU TOO, MOVE OUT HERE! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TOO!!!!!!

P.S. I will totally tell my mom you think she's classy. She will LOVE it.

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[velithya]

*squishes*

well I am totally visiting again as often as I can... dunno that I can swing moving to the US, my BF isn't a fan of the social structure/infrastructure and apart from being REALLY FUCKING HOT in summer argh Australia is actually a pretty cool place to live ;)

♥ FOREVER

[gigglingkat]

cause I like drunk posts, and drunks at WinCon kinda rock
That's probably your only base of reference for social drunks. Which is different than an addict on the way down and someone getting totally shitfaced. Social drunks (which fangirls become at WinCon) get to a certain level of buzzed, back down and then, depending on time, may drink more or decide to stop and crash for the night.

It's that sense of self-control that makes you not "mind" it. We're not pushing that control on you. The feeling that if you end up holding our hair while we puke, it's because you chose to do so, not because you had to. Being raised by addicts would have taken that from you.

*hugs*

[weirdnessmagnet.livejournal.com]

I feel you. I don't drink much -- almost one of anything is my limit -- and going to cons (or anywhere) to watch other people get drunk and be the designated driver is not my idea of a good time.

I vote we go to WinCon and not drink and make fun of all the drunk people and talk about incest and cock and porn over cheese fries.

[setissma.livejournal.com]

I think the difference is really whether or not you have to deal with it. If people want to make godawful decisions (and doing hard drugs, no matter what anyone tells me, is not something I will ever think is a good choice, ditto to unprotected sex with strangers), then that's their call. But the problem with bad decisions of that level is that in reality, when things go wrong, it's not the sort of wrong that they're capable of handling themselves, and then you start impressing the consequences of your bad decisions on other people. (Drug addiction, alcoholism, and diseases like AIDS? Totally influence the people around you.) And children of addicts and alcoholics are pretty much hardwired to hate bad decisions like that, because they can't help but weigh whether or not they'll be the one dealing with the consequences, so. I don't have a problem with social drinking (I do it, occasionally) or that sort of thing, but. People have the right to do what they want; we have the right to want nothing to do with their risky decisions.

[tabaqui]

Ah, man. Now i wanna go to a con - a con! - with you just so we can hang out and be not-drunk. I'm a total Sandra Dee, always have been, and while i think that if you're gonna fuck up your life by being a drunk/tweaker/whatever, go right ahead, i will not babysit you or invite you into my home.

I hate being around drunks, too, as they inevitably *need* babysitting and i didn't even do that for extra cash when i was a kid.

So we'll go hang and drink gingerale-oj-mimosas and make fun of 'em.
:)
*twirls you*

[weirdnessmagnet.livejournal.com]

I'm with y'all.

[deadlychameleon.livejournal.com]

And here's my thing, see, I don't mind people drinking - unless they drink so much they need help not choking in their own puke (it's a low bar, people). It's not a moral thing, with the drugs or alcohol. It's just - I don't want to deal with it. Been there, seen it, don't really want to be around it again.

[denyce.livejournal.com]

Started to reply, but it got long, so off to post in my lj to save your flist.

Much ♥

[sweill.livejournal.com]

Yeah. THIS.

[sweill.livejournal.com]

If I didn't already love you, this post would clinch it.

I have family history, personal history and a job as an RN on a Post-Trauma floor (read 'Stupid People, Stupid Choices') and I will gladly buy you a virgin whatever in Denver next year. 'K?